SOLIDSNAKEC (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This guy needs a beer before trying to give a talk. How to not give a presentation! Quit moving around. Quit waving your hands, you're not steve jobs. Quit rambling. Write out the presentation.

inakus (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

wow, that guy that looks like kevin smith looks like a real cunt..

OneNation2525 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Cut off IBM , mean IBM is putting alot of Biometrics in the Code and that is a Big Problem

someman7 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I have no idea. All I know is that it allways happens when the window border is moving extensively. And by window border, I mean it alone. For example, when you minimize a window, you should see a black one. With xvidcap, when you select the area, the frame is red. So if I resize that red thing quickly or if it exceeds a certain height/width, the sys freezes. Next time I'll look at the logs :-)

Iminurcomputorz (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Heh, strange. Isn't there any error file in xorg? I haven't had any GUI related crashes so I haven't poked around there so much. Incorporating everything in the kernel might be fast, but it's on the expense of stability and security, something I don't like.

someman7 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Actually, on GNU/Linux, my system freezes when my display driver fails (BSD too). Why? I don't know. I should be able to get tty, but I don't. BSOD won't go from win, since they incorporate display GUI in kernel (it is fast tho). But if you go to wiki, you'll get Win NT kernel is hybrid. That's meaningless. Hybrid means nothing. That's probably 90% monolithic & 10% micro-like. Everything is "hybrid". But I was talking about real hybrids. Linux is closer, but I meant those more micro-like ones.

Iminurcomputorz (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I don't have too much knowledge of the Windows core, but I think it's an extreme example of a monolithic kernel (Even IE is integrated in the kernel). BSOD's are caused by (usually) bugs in device drivers, whereas in Linux and *BSD, only the drivers fail, not the entire system.

someman7 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I admit, Linux does its job very well in regards its architecture. To tell you the truth, it might be me reading some of what Tannenbaum says that got me thinking this way. I do see the logic in hybrid kernels*, especially the new designs. But projects fail... I don't like monopoly, and I think the microkernel architecture if planned carefully can make a _sort of_ an ultimate OS that may be modded in almost any imaginable way. *if Windows' core could be called one, then Linux certainly is one

Iminurcomputorz (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I agree that Linux is sort of the "monopoly" in the open source world, other projects doesn't get as much attention as Linux. I recon you have tried a microkernel OS, if so, is it good? As I understand it, multitasking is a bit more "difficult" (In the terms of speed and stability). Though I really like the idea that each device driver isn't included in the kernel itself, Linux and *BSD has traces of that (Graphic cards for instance).

bexy575 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

You were the one who replied to me. It is courteous to reply with a response.